We found a ship builder in New Jersey and he was working in fiberglass. We got excited about it and Eero developed the Womb Chair…. Eero Saarinen and I went out to New Jersey to beg this ship builder to make us some models. He was very skeptical. Mr. Winter was his name. I guess we were so young and so enthusiastic that he finally gave in and worked with us. We had lots of problems and failures until they finally got a chair that would work.